Deep State

the military industrial complex of the National Security State

15 minutes


the full show (an hour) is at the link below, my interview starts 45 minutes into the show
Trump and the Deep State
Global Research News Hour Episode 167

By Michael Welch, Prof Michel Chossudovsky, Mark Robinowitz, and Jack Rasmus
Global Research, January 22, 2017
Region: Asia, USA
In-depth Report: U.S. Elections

“You have to go back to Nixon to find a president with as strong negative views about the agency. But the agency did not get this kind of public disparagement from Nixon.” 
- Paul Pillar, a former senior CIA official, in an interview with AlterNet. [1]



- Team Trump stole the swing states through minority voter suppression and faith based voting machines

- why did the Deep State let them steal the election?  probably because the next economic contraction is looming due in part to passing peak energy and Trump will get the blame and impose austerity and repression.  

- Fracking for oil and gas has peaked due to debt and depletion. Trump's promise to revive the coal industry is physically impossible, since coal peaked in the US in 1999 (in Pennsylvania, coal peaked in 1920).

- the appointment of the CEO of Exxon Mobil to the State Department is a clue about the role of grabbing global oil supplies for the Empire

- the Deep State has different factions, the Rockefeller Republicans / realists backed Obama and Clinton, they want the velvet glove over the iron fist

- Cheney and Rumsfeld wanted to attack Iran a decade ago, part of the military and intelligence agencies blocked this because it would have massively worsened the Middle East wars and disrupt the oil supplies

- Trump's cabinet:  "crazy people who understand we're entering the downslope of energy supplies and it's a mad scramble to grab what is left"

- Kremlinology: the US intelligence agencies tried to figure out decision making in the Soviet Union, their system was opaque, we need a similar approach to understand the National Security State of America, it's like looking at a distant mountain on a rainy day, you can tell it is there but cannot describe it precisely

- Bush the Lesser was unpopular in his first few months, once 9/11 was allowed to happen his ratings went from the 40s percentage to 90 percent.  Let's hope the people behind Trump are not similarly tempted to boost his popularity.

- suggestions:  chip through the frozen layer of denial over these problems, honest discussions about election fraud, limits to growth as the underlying factor in the economic crisis, transcend "Peak Blame" and scapegoating, recognize there are many flavors of disinformation (from right and left) that distract from clarity.  

- the antidote would include moving beyond binary modes of thinking, the false choice of Trump vs. Clinton (neither is acceptable), practical relocalization logistics instead of politics are more important as the global economy breaks down.  Where does your food come from?  How can communities be more cooperative and resilient?


will Trump be the fifth President thwarted by the intelligence agencies?

1.  Kennedy - removed from office for trying to end the Cold War
2.  Nixon -
3.  Carter -
4.  Bush / Cheney - prevented from attacking Iran - 

"oil we are saying is give impeachment a chance"

Donald Trump has finally taken his oath of office and assumed the role of President of theUnited States of America.

His inauguration on Friday, January 20th coincided with numerous protests both in Washington and in cities across the US and around the world.

Trump’s rise to power and his cabinet picks have provoked numerous questions. Will he indeed build a wall between Mexico and the US? Will he register Muslims? What will become of the Free trade agreements like NAFTA which he has vowed to scrap or renegotiate? If he is mending relations with Russia, what will that mean for current hot-spots Syria and Ukraine, and for foreign policy generally?

On this week’s Global Research News Hour we take a look behind the scenes to determine how political events such as the recent election, are being manipulated to achieve elite ends, and the consequences for US democracy, and perhaps the future of Humanity.

Dr. Jack Rasmus is a progressive journalist, radio host, former union organizer and local president, and author. Hs upcoming book, ‘Central Bankers on the Ropes: Monetary Policy and the Next Depression’ will be released in April.

Professor Michel Chossudovsky is an award-winning author, Professor of Economics (emeritus) at the University of Ottawa, Founder and Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), Montreal, and Editor of Global Research.

Mark Robinowitz is a writer, political activist, ecological campaigner and permaculture practitioner and publisher of oilempire dot us, a political map to connect the dots.

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The term "deep state" has gotten considerable coverage since Trump's alleged election win, notably due to opposition to his administration by factions in the United States Government Intelligence Community who see his Presidency as a threat to the ability of the USA to main its power due to Trump's incoherence and incompetence. Right wing supporters of Trump have charged the "Deep State" is trying to undermine his legitimacy -- which is mostly correct. Some left wing critics of the spy agencies (notably Glenn Greenwald) have popularlized the concept as well, but the paradigm is decades old, long before President Trump.

One possible origin of the term "deep state" was in the 1990s in Turkey, derin devlet is the term there (it means deep state). It refered to collusion between the secret police and the military, mafia types and others in the shadow state.

Another possible origin is Peter Dale Scott's book Deep Politics and the Death of JFK.

Eisenhower's "Crusade for Peace" was thwarted by the CIA. He had planned to travel to Moscow for a summit with Krushchev. Eisenhower ordered a stand down of the U-2 program but the CIA sent it up on May Day, 1960 anyway, in defiance of Presidential orders. Krushchev canceled the summit in response. Eisenhower also realized he did not have control over the nuclear weapons of the Strategic Air Command (General Curtis LeMay). This was the motivation for his "farewell address to the nation" where he warned about the power of the "military industrial complex."

The 1947 National Security Act created the CIA and the Department of Defense, among other components of the National Security State. This codified the massive secret government powers established during World War II and turned them into a permanent warfare system. (The Pentagon building, for example, was not anticipated to be used as a military headquarters after the war, at least not when groundbreaking happened on September 11, 1941, three months before Pearl Harbor.)

During the war, the Manhattan Project created secret cities to invent atomic bombs, among them Los Alamos, NM, Oak Ridge, TN and Hanford, WA. Only a tiny percent of the workers in these places knew what the end product would be (at Hanford only about one percent knew). The secrecy system became the model for the post war National Security State, guarding the perceived secrets of the nuclear arsenal and war plans, covert operations to destablize other countries, and ultimately, to manipulate our own society.


The "coming out" party for the Deep State was their removal of John Kennedy from the Presidency on November 22, 1963.

We don't have three branches of government in the USA, we have two: the overt, which we learned about in school, and the covert, which runs the National Security State.

Jim Garrison led the sole prosecution of one of the perpetrators of the JFK assassination - his book "On the Trail of the Assassins" was depicted in the Oliver Stone film "JFK."
Playboy magazine October 1967

PLAYBOY: Many of the professional critics of the Warren Commission appear to be prompted by political motives: Those on the left are anxious to prove Kennedy was murdered by a conspiracy within the establishment; and those on the right are eager to prove the assassination was an act of "the international Communist conspiracy." Where would you place yourself on the political spectrum --- right, left of center?

GARRISON: That's a question I've asked myself frequently, especially since this investigation started and I found myself in an incongruous and disillusioning battle with agencies of my own Government. I can't just sit down and add up my political beliefs like a mathematical sum, but I think, in balance, I'd turn up somewhere around the middle.
Over the years, I guess I've developed a somewhat conservative attitude --- in the traditional libertarian sense of conservatism, as opposed to the thumbscrew-and-rack conservatism of the paramilitary right --- particularly in regard to the importance of the individual as opposed to the state and the individual's own responsibilities to humanity. I don't think I've ever tried to formulate this into a coherent political philosophy, but at the root of my concern is the conviction that a human being is not a digit; he's not a digit in regard to the state and he's not a digit in the sense that he can ignore his fellow men and his obligations to society.
I was with the artillery supporting the division that took Dachau; I arrived there the day after it was taken, when bulldozers were making pyramids of human bodies outside the camp. What I saw there has haunted me ever since. Because the law is my profession, I've always wondered about the judges throughout Germany who sentenced men to jail for picking pockets at a time when their own government was jerking gold from the teeth of men murdered in gas chambers. I'm concerned about all of this because it isn't a German phenomenon; it's a human phenomenon. It can happen here, because there has been no change and there has been no progress and there has been no increase of understanding on the part of men for their fellow man.
What worries me deeply, and I have seen it exemplified in this case, is that we in America are in great danger of slowly evolving into a proto-fascist state. It will be a different kind of fascist state from the one of the Germans evolved; theirs grew out of depression and promised bread and work, while ours, curiously enough, seems to be emerging from prosperity. But in the final analysis, it's based on power and on the inability to put human goals and human conscience above the dictates of the state. Its origins can be traced in the tremendous war machine we've built since 1945, the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower vainly warned us about, which now dominates every aspect of our life. The power of the states and Congress has gradually been abandoned to the Executive Department, because of war conditions; and we've seen the creation of an arrogant, swollen bureaucratic complex totally unfettered by the checks and balances of the Constitution.
In a very real and terrifying sense, our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society. Of course, you can't spot this trend to fascism by casually looking around. You can't look for such familiar signs as the swastika, because they won't be there. We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line. We're not going to wake up one morning and suddenly find ourselves in gray uniforms goose-stepping off to work. But this isn't the test. The test is: What happens to the individual who dissents? In Nazi Germany, he was physically destroyed; here, the process is more subtle, but the end results can be the same.
I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dreamworld America I once believed in. The imperatives of the population explosion, which almost inevitably will lessen our belief in the sanctity of the individual human life, combined with the awesome power of the CIA and the defense establishment, seem destined to seal the fate of the America I knew as a child and bring us into a new Orwellian world where the citizen exists for the state and where raw power justifies any and every immoral act. I've always had a kind of knee-jerk trust in my Government's basic integrity, whatever political blunders it may make. But I've come to realize that in Washington, deceiving and manipulating the public are viewed by some as the natural prerogatives of office. Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security.
-- Jim Garrison
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